tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post6264816084379020930..comments2024-03-17T02:30:04.788-06:00Comments on Shallee McArthur: How to Tell When a Scene Isn't WorkingShalleehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09907680428735740943noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-84063428713734041932010-10-13T08:11:35.221-06:002010-10-13T08:11:35.221-06:00I read it out loud and that helps me to decide.I read it out loud and that helps me to decide.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07957545161716269528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-43365721832645837672010-10-12T14:18:41.778-06:002010-10-12T14:18:41.778-06:00I try to listen to my gut. And if my gut is silen...I try to listen to my gut. And if my gut is silent, then I listen to my critique group. Sometimes I'll have this nagging feeling, but I'll leave the scene the same. Then my crit group confirms my worry.Julie Musilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02150454913885915017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-28695223892116478192010-10-12T01:37:44.875-06:002010-10-12T01:37:44.875-06:00Sometimes it's pure instinct. The writing doe...Sometimes it's pure instinct. The writing doesn't feel right to me. I need to make additions or deletions. The crit group helps plenty, too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-7704643427916269812010-10-12T00:22:44.584-06:002010-10-12T00:22:44.584-06:00I'm not sure. I guess it's just a feeling....I'm not sure. I guess it's just a feeling. <br /><br />I wrote a scene in my last book. I had work from a kinda outline, so I had this scene planned out in advance. But it was one of those things that worked when I was planning, but once I got to that part of the book, it was just obvious to me that the characters wouldn't do that. I still wrote it anyway cause I had planned for it. <br /><br />When I sent the chapter to my friend, she echoed exactly what I had already thought ... the characters would never do that. <br /><br />The scene just didn't seem right and it didn't flow naturally. It stood out because it was wrong. <br /><br />I cut it. No rewriting, just cut.Basthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12561466241112288690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-55574361822654451132010-10-11T23:12:02.488-06:002010-10-11T23:12:02.488-06:00Hey, look, you changed your commenting format!
(T...Hey, look, you changed your commenting format!<br /><br />(That's all I have to say. I love reading about writing and publishing, but since I don't write anything longer than blog posts or emails these days, I can't say how I know whether a scene is working.)<br /><br />(Oh, but also I am SO SO glad your sister saved A. from choking. Yikes!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-90139695498674432242010-10-11T18:45:59.551-06:002010-10-11T18:45:59.551-06:00As the "asker" of the question, I really...As the "asker" of the question, I really appreciate all the great feedback! You put words to my guesses, and have helped validate my writer's intuition that is still in its infancy. Thank you!!!Michellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00511147911400797398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-24452314852380220372010-10-11T17:29:42.679-06:002010-10-11T17:29:42.679-06:00"Feeling" is very much a part of the pro..."Feeling" is very much a part of the process. It's a gut and heart relationship. Every good writer should develop this with each word. For me, it's a matter of blocking or confusion. If I confuse readers, something's not working. Of course, I'm a "plan" writer - I develop the story before I actually start drafting it, like storyboards for animation projects. Even then, it's not a perfect system, but I try to write stories that I would enjoy while bearing in mind that I'm writing for someone else to read it.David P. Kinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17259276981865439853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-18264636558722910072010-10-11T16:16:51.066-06:002010-10-11T16:16:51.066-06:00Great post!
Sometimes, it's very difficult to...Great post!<br /><br />Sometimes, it's very difficult to pinpoint why a scene doesn't work. Your awesome post and the comments are very, very helpful. :)Sandyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05360613352088629589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-69872911719237492112010-10-11T16:00:41.611-06:002010-10-11T16:00:41.611-06:00Ugh, I hate when a scene doesn't feel right. I...Ugh, I hate when a scene doesn't feel right. It's always difficult for me to figure out what exactly makes it wrong, but I can usually tell when it just won't work. Thanks for the advice!Meredithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00462382909938737612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-35805621538087205982010-10-11T15:06:31.474-06:002010-10-11T15:06:31.474-06:00On my own, the only way I can tell if it doesn'...On my own, the only way I can tell if it doesn't work is TIME. And I appear to take more time than most writers! If I come back and re-read some chapter six months after they've been written, I'm still in love. Yikes! Sometimes it takes over a year for me to be able to see the flaws clearly. So, I REALLY need a critique group to keep me on track and point out things like "this chapter is all talk and nothing happens"Margo Berendsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03476308235642890474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-61438852825306924262010-10-11T13:01:06.215-06:002010-10-11T13:01:06.215-06:00Like you, it starts with a feeling. Usually I'...Like you, it starts with a feeling. Usually I'll find I've left out a detail or key element that helps it to make sense. Sometimes it's not logical. The big finale in my book required several rewrites just to get the technical logistics correct.Alex J. Cavanaughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09770065693345181702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-18028455230134169382010-10-11T12:58:13.484-06:002010-10-11T12:58:13.484-06:00susan hit the proverbial nail on the head. You can...susan hit the proverbial nail on the head. You can tell it isn't working when ...well, it's not working! And the reverse is often true as well. You know it is working when it doesn't feel forced and that scene practically writes itself. <br /><br />great post!mshatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06308916014310536449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-79238371612119698972010-10-11T11:10:37.262-06:002010-10-11T11:10:37.262-06:00I'm not sure I have any less nebulous an answe...I'm not sure I have any less nebulous an answer to give, but I'll try to distill a few things from my basic, "Um, it just doesn't work?" answer.<br /><br />1. Inappropriate pace: it rushes to its conclusion too quickly or drags its feet getting to the end. A writer should always have a sense of what the pace of a scene should be. If you don't, you need to start there.<br /><br />2. Non-sequitor: it either doesn't follow properly from its set up. or doesn't lead properly into the scene which follows it.<br /><br />3. Who did what now? Every scene has some kind of (internal or external) action that advances the plot or contributes to character development. Those actions have to be performed by the appropriate characters, and it should make sense for those characters to do those things.<br /><br />Those are some of the basics that jump out at me. Really, it's a smaller scale version of the same things you look at for a story as a whole.C. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-437730797773263014.post-59634255490981197452010-10-11T11:04:35.644-06:002010-10-11T11:04:35.644-06:00Great post!
Your "reach out with your feelin...Great post!<br /><br />Your "reach out with your feelings...use the Force" answer may not be as vague as you think. I can't tell you how many times I've been writing along and just had the feeling that the characters were all standing in my head, staring at me like a bunch of fifth graders that I'd just told we would be cleaning toilets for fun. <br /><br />Another giveaway I've learned to recognize is that a bad scene gets harder and harder to write as it goes along. The words stop flying out and start feeling forced, and although I used to try and "write through it" now I tend to back it up to the place where things went wonky (saving progress somewhere else, just in case) and start off again in another direction.<br /><br />Developing those feelings takes time, yes, but it's definitely worth it once you get there and realize you can tell when things are going wrong.Susan Spannhttp://www.susanspann.comnoreply@blogger.com